Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
Hola escritores.
He ayudado a un amigo a subir un libro a Smashwords y nos encontramos con el tema de las retenciones del famoso IRS de los c. Como son muy listos, te ofrecen ceder una retención del 30% a huevo o cumplimentar un documento bastante jodidillo (el W-8BEN) mediante el cuál se puede reducir la retención incluso al 5%. Como el 30% por la cara me parece un abuso, me he puesto a rellenar el documento. Lo que pasa es que pide datos que no sé si son necesarios, que de serlo hay que solicitar aparte, y si lo hago a ojo y o mando tardan semanas en responder si está mal. En ese caso, dudo que aclaren dónde está el error porque lo que obviamente buscan es quedarse el 30%.
Alguno de vosotros ha pasado por esto y lo ha cumplimentado con éxito? Podéis ayudar a los que no sabemos hacerlo?
A continuación pongo lo que viene en la web.
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Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
Bueno, 171 visitas y ningún comentario. No sé si es que realmente no tenéis ni idea, o si os estáis guardando la información por algún motivo que no alcanzo a entender.
Abundando en el tema, cosa que me jode un poco ante semejante ausencia de colaboración, os comento lo que sé. A los que ya supieran y no ayudaran no les sirve y a los que no sabéis espero que os ayude y lo apliquéis cuanto antes porque el Gobierno yankee os está calzando bien, a nada que vendáis algo.
Cualquier ebook publicado en Amazon, Smashwords y CreateSpace se llevan una retención automática del 30% de los royalties por parte del IRS, la hacienda USA. No importa si se publica a través de Amazon.es, .com o .loquequeráisponeraquí, o si por Smashwords se vende en B&N, iBookstore o Kobo. Te clavan el 30% SIEMPRE.
Qué hay que hacer?
Hay que mandar un documento por correo ordinario (W-8BEN) a las empresas en las que publiquéis (básicamente Amazon, Smashwords y CreateSpace). Sin embargo, para que os quiten la retención del 30% no basta con eso. Primero hay que solicitar un nº de identificación fiscal (ITIN), que es bastante imposible de conseguir y la gente renuncia al cabo de meses (no solo aquí, está pasando a nivel global a autores británicos, canadienses, irlandeses, australianos, franceses...).
Por suerte, resulta que con otro similar (EIN) vale igual y se consigue llamando por teléfono en cosa de 20 minutos (casi todos de espera).
Esta es la parte que os va a costar, particularmente si no habláis inglés. Yo os recomendaría que le pidáis a algún amigo que controle que llame de vuestra parte. Lo que hay que solicitar y decir es fácil, pero complejo de explicar, así que os copypasteo una parte y dejo el link del que he sacado esta parte de la info para que lo leáis todo (interesante).
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1. Call the IRS at +1 267 941 1099
This is a direct line to the dedicated unit in Philadelphia that deals with foreign entities (that’s you) who need an EIN. Press 2 on the computerized menu to get through to an operator. While I’ve heard it’s possible to get your EIN through some embassies and consuls, that certainly doesn’t apply to all of them and this number will work for everyone. Note: they won’t take a call from anyone using a “speakerphone”. If you are using Skype on your laptop, have a set of headphones plugged in before you call, to avoid an undignified scramble around your apartment. Finally, while there is an online facility for doing this, foreign entities can’t use that.2. Tell them you’re applying for an EIN for a foreign entity.
They may ask if you are a legal officer of the company or some such, I said that I was a sole proprietor, and the owner of the business, which satisfied them.3. There’s a 50% chance that they will tell you that you need Form SS-4
You do not want to go down this path, which requires form-filling, fees, delays, and somehow locating a fax machine. If this is what they tell you, politely end the call, and call them back. I only had to do this once, and then got someone a little more helpful.4. Give your details
They will ask for your name, mailing address, phone number, the name of your company, and the country it was incorporated. This will involve a lot of spelling and repetition, but make sure all the details are correct.5. They will ask if this is for compliance with withholding
Say “yes”.6. They will ask if this is for e-books
Say “yes”.7. They will give you your EIN!!!
After confirming all your details, they will give you your EIN right there and then. Resist the urge to shower your helpful IRS employee with virtual kisses. Also, it’s probably best not to try and sell them your book. Write your EIN down somewhere safe, then save it on your computer, upload it to Dropbox, copy it to a thumb drive, email it to yourself, carve it on the biggest tree in your garden, and consider getting it tattooed somewhere private.
Una vez obtenéis el nº EIN, hay que rellenar y enviar por correo ordinario el documento W-8BEN. Os adjunto uno a medio rellenar. Tenéis que añadir los datos en los que he puesto "XXXXXXXX", que son básicamente vuestro nombre y dirección y el numero EIN. Si no lo podéis hacer en el PC, lo hacéis a mano, una vez imprimido, utilizando un boligrafo azul. Luego firmáis abajo. Arriba ponéis vuestro código de editor KDP o la identificación que pida Smashwords o el que sea (que no sé) y lo mandáis por correo ordinario a la dirección que os digan. En el caso de Amazon el proceso completo es:
Pasos para enviar el formulario W-8BEN
• Complete el formulario W-8BEN de acuerdo con las instrucciones para el formulario W-8BEN del IRS (ver ejemplos a continuación).
• Firme el formulario en la parte IV. Se requiere una firma original.
• Escriba su código de editor KDP en el margen superior del formulario para asociarlo a su cuenta. (Puede encontrar su código de editor en el lado derecho de la página "Su cuenta" de KDP, debajo de las preguntas frecuentes.)
• Envíe la versión original firmada a:
Amazon.com
c/o AP Tax
PO Box 80683
Seattle, WA 98108-0683, Estados Unidos
Una vez que su formulario haya sido procesado, recibirá una confirmación vía e-mail. Los formularios recibidos hasta el día 10 de cada mes se procesarán para los pagos regulares de final de mes. Los formularios recibidos después del día 10 se aplicarán a los pagos del mes siguiente.
Con esto evitáis que os calcen un 30%. Os calzarán un 5%.
Pues eso.
20/06/2013, 11:30
anabelee
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
Más claro y masticado imposible =D>.
En mi caso sabes que no había comentado porque no sabía cómo hacerlo, pero ahora me siento fatal por no haberlo dicho al menos y dejarte solo. No me había fijado en que nadie más había respondido hasta hoy.
Gracias
20/06/2013, 11:31
Peto
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
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Iniciado por anabelee
Más claro y masticado imposible =D>.
En mi caso sabes que no había comentado porque no sabía cómo hacerlo, pero ahora me siento fatal por no haberlo dicho al menos y dejarte solo. No me había fijado en que nadie más había respondido hasta hoy.
Gracias
Ein??? Tas tú loca u qué?:p
20/06/2013, 11:33
anabelee
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
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Iniciado por Peto
Ein??? Tas tú loca u qué?:p
No, toi baja de moral.
Pero tienes razón, ¿desde cuándo necesitas tú una manita para algo:x?
20/06/2013, 12:25
Peto
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
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Iniciado por anabelee
No, toi baja de moral.
Pero tienes razón, ¿desde cuándo necesitas tú una manita para algo:x?
Pues no será por el mal tiempo. Hoy solo ha llovido casi todo el trato...
20/06/2013, 13:12
anabelee
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
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Iniciado por Peto
Pues no será por el mal tiempo. Hoy solo ha llovido casi todo el trato...
:p:p:p:p Aquí no, pero tampoco luce el sol. Está un día desapacible como mi carácter.
20/06/2013, 14:36
Terisa
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
Yo es que leo, no escribo, con lo cual :-\"
20/06/2013, 15:20
cathermac
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
Yo ni lo habia visto, que últimamente ni tiempo para mi tengo. lo siento, pero aun así ni habría podido decirte nada porque de esto y de perdices preñadas entiendo lo mismo.
20/06/2013, 16:11
Peto
Re: Sobre SmashWords los impuestos USA y el documentoW-8BEN
A ver, que este es un hilo abierto en nuevos talentos dirigido a la gente que está publicando directamente en ebook pos su cuenta y cobrando por ello. Se entiende que pretende que los escritores que se autoeditan con Amazon y tal se puedan ayudar entre ellos y no les quiten un 30% de sus ganancias, sean grandes o pequeñas, por la cara. Por supuesto, a la gente que tiene sus obras en descarga gratuita no se le aplica.
La sensación que me da que haya pasado tanta gente por aquí y nadie diga ni mu es que los que saben pasan de ayudar. No me creo que ninguno de los autores que tiene su libro aquí y vende en Amazon o Smashwords haya intentado solucionar le tema del 30% del IRS. Tanto lo haya logrado como si no, que no lo comparta con sus colegas me parece mezquino y me jode. Pero hablo en exclusiva de lo que hemos dado en llamar nuevos talentos, de los escritores, no de la inmensa mayoría de los componentes de este foro que son los lectores.
Si los escritores no son capaces de ayudarse entre ellos, no veo por qué habríamos de ayudarles los lectores. Yo he dudado si colgar la info, pero he llegado a la conclusión de que habrá mucha gente que no se ha enterado de que le van a sablear y todo esto le va a resultar nuevo porque Amazon no te lo dice. A los que ya lo saben y no han ayudado esta info no le aporta nada, con lo que no les ayudo. Por eso lo he colgado, pero he estado por guardármelo, vista la ausencia de cooperación de la gente.
Espero que les sea útil a los escritores autoeditados de buena fe. A los que ya sabían y no han compartido, les parta un rayo.
